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		<title>By: koreanworldmap - ASIA DESIGN PORTAL &#8211; ASIA DESIGN PORTAL</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Did Europe fall of the map? &#124; Joop.in China Description : The picture above is a fraction of a Korean world map. Logically, Koreans position themselves in the middle of their map. The US and Europe equally far away. How come all is focussed on their friends on the right side of &#8230; http://www.joop.in/Archive/did .. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Did Europe fall of the map? | Joop.in China Description : The picture above is a fraction of a Korean world map. Logically, Koreans position themselves in the middle of their map. The US and Europe equally far away. How come all is focussed on their friends on the right side of &#8230; <a href="http://www.joop.in/Archive/did" rel="nofollow">http://www.joop.in/Archive/did</a> .. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: http://www.joop.in</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides the 15 US professors, here&#039;s why you hear so much about the US
and not Europe in S. Korea:

1.  The U.S. has provided a crucial nuclear umbrella and big military
presence since WW2 and fought with So. Korea in the Korean War.  We&#039;re
strong allies. 
2.  The U.S., not Europe, is deeply involved in the N. Korea nuclear
negotiations.
3.  Wall Street has a huge impact on the Korean capital markets.
4.  The U.S. is a major market for Korean products.
5.  Tens of thousands of Korean students and business people have
studied and moved to the U.S., where they are more welcome than in
Europe.
6.  Silicon Valley is still the #1 destination for Korean tech people.
7.  American pop culture, like Japanese pop culture, is big among young
Koreans (e.g. blue jeans, Nikes, Hollywood, etc.)
8.  U.S. companies are more dynamic than most European companies, esp.
in high tech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the 15 US professors, here&#8217;s why you hear so much about the US<br />
and not Europe in S. Korea:</p>
<p>1.  The U.S. has provided a crucial nuclear umbrella and big military<br />
presence since WW2 and fought with So. Korea in the Korean War.  We&#8217;re<br />
strong allies.<br />
2.  The U.S., not Europe, is deeply involved in the N. Korea nuclear<br />
negotiations.<br />
3.  Wall Street has a huge impact on the Korean capital markets.<br />
4.  The U.S. is a major market for Korean products.<br />
5.  Tens of thousands of Korean students and business people have<br />
studied and moved to the U.S., where they are more welcome than in<br />
Europe.<br />
6.  Silicon Valley is still the #1 destination for Korean tech people.<br />
7.  American pop culture, like Japanese pop culture, is big among young<br />
Koreans (e.g. blue jeans, Nikes, Hollywood, etc.)<br />
8.  U.S. companies are more dynamic than most European companies, esp.<br />
in high tech.</p>
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		<title>By: http://the-eyrea.blogspot.com</title>
		<link>http://www.joop.in/Archive/did-europe-fall-of-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-1393</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joop, if it makes you feel any better, you do see the odd EU flag on cars sometimes here in Toronto, Canada. Usually you&#039;ll see them when there is a big football (real football/soccer, not American football) tournament. 

As for Korea&#039;s fascination with the US -- well, the Korean War was only 60 years ago, and Korea wouldn&#039;t be divided into South and North if it wasn&#039;t for the US and the former USSR. Not everyone looks at things through the the lens of economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joop, if it makes you feel any better, you do see the odd EU flag on cars sometimes here in Toronto, Canada. Usually you&#8217;ll see them when there is a big football (real football/soccer, not American football) tournament. </p>
<p>As for Korea&#8217;s fascination with the US &#8212; well, the Korean War was only 60 years ago, and Korea wouldn&#8217;t be divided into South and North if it wasn&#8217;t for the US and the former USSR. Not everyone looks at things through the the lens of economics.</p>
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		<title>By: http://www.dutchproblogger.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find those different world maps always very fascinating, it says everything about world view and stuff. Thanks for the interesting insights Joop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find those different world maps always very fascinating, it says everything about world view and stuff. Thanks for the interesting insights Joop!</p>
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		<title>By: http://akuswanderings.blogspot.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting views Joop and an intresting conversation!

So do I get this right? The unity of Europe would help increase visibility in the Korean (and global) press (etc), which in turn would increase sales of European products and services? I think it might, but is it really worth it? I&#039;m not sure. Trade is entirely based on visibility and images.

I think the diversity of Europe is its asset too. Countries have very strong individual country images (Italy for wines, Germany for engineering, French cuisine etc., you got the point). What would we then have? European clogs? No, it wouldn&#039;t work at all. 

Sorry I think I lost the point somewhere along the lines. Was it about WHY Europe isn&#039;t presented in Korea (I think that question has been answered) or why it would be important that we had a stronger European image? Sorry, I&#039;m confused! :)

As for the financial crisis, I agree cooperation is needed but I&#039;m quite happy our economy isn&#039;t directly linked to that of Romania!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting views Joop and an intresting conversation!</p>
<p>So do I get this right? The unity of Europe would help increase visibility in the Korean (and global) press (etc), which in turn would increase sales of European products and services? I think it might, but is it really worth it? I&#8217;m not sure. Trade is entirely based on visibility and images.</p>
<p>I think the diversity of Europe is its asset too. Countries have very strong individual country images (Italy for wines, Germany for engineering, French cuisine etc., you got the point). What would we then have? European clogs? No, it wouldn&#8217;t work at all. </p>
<p>Sorry I think I lost the point somewhere along the lines. Was it about WHY Europe isn&#8217;t presented in Korea (I think that question has been answered) or why it would be important that we had a stronger European image? Sorry, I&#8217;m confused! :)</p>
<p>As for the financial crisis, I agree cooperation is needed but I&#8217;m quite happy our economy isn&#8217;t directly linked to that of Romania!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joop  I think I should make something clear, I do know how you feel.  I am a Canadian ExPat living in the southern US.  I hear about my birth-country about as much as you do and I live less then 1000 miles from the border.  Yes it&#039;s pretty darn annoying.

The problem with newspapers and stocks in particular the advent of the internet and near real-time stock tracking has put a lot of pressure on finance sections of newspapers to shed a lot of pages.  In the 80 or early 90s you probably would have found that stock on there but not anymore.

I think the problem with EU not getting much attention twofold.  One is that it doesn&#039;t have the power of a nation&#039;s government and as such many of the important decisions take place in the parliaments of the respective countries.  To a lesser extent secondly it&#039;s all a tad bit confusing to an outsider.  Having this government, that really isn&#039;t government over, but not really, the member countries government, which are relatively autonomous maintaining their own budgets, military and etc, and  all built upon a bunch of treaties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joop  I think I should make something clear, I do know how you feel.  I am a Canadian ExPat living in the southern US.  I hear about my birth-country about as much as you do and I live less then 1000 miles from the border.  Yes it&#8217;s pretty darn annoying.</p>
<p>The problem with newspapers and stocks in particular the advent of the internet and near real-time stock tracking has put a lot of pressure on finance sections of newspapers to shed a lot of pages.  In the 80 or early 90s you probably would have found that stock on there but not anymore.</p>
<p>I think the problem with EU not getting much attention twofold.  One is that it doesn&#8217;t have the power of a nation&#8217;s government and as such many of the important decisions take place in the parliaments of the respective countries.  To a lesser extent secondly it&#8217;s all a tad bit confusing to an outsider.  Having this government, that really isn&#8217;t government over, but not really, the member countries government, which are relatively autonomous maintaining their own budgets, military and etc, and  all built upon a bunch of treaties.</p>
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		<title>By: http://www.joop.in</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ratfink U don&#039;t sound like you have limited sanity. :)

When this Dutch guy moved to Spain and later Sweden, I realized that the AEX (Dutch stock) wasn&#039;t in their newspaper. I found it interesting because I was used of the daily rating, on a prominent location in my own newspaper. In one year time, I read about my home country only two times in that particular &#039;global&#039; news paper. At that point I realized that The Netherlands is a rather small country, and that we need the EU.

Then I came to Asia, I noticed that the EU isn&#039;t as prominent as I thought. cognitive dissonance, created by local news and strategy? Maybe! I realized that the EU could be better advocated, that&#039;s why I wrote this down initially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ratfink U don&#8217;t sound like you have limited sanity. :)</p>
<p>When this Dutch guy moved to Spain and later Sweden, I realized that the AEX (Dutch stock) wasn&#8217;t in their newspaper. I found it interesting because I was used of the daily rating, on a prominent location in my own newspaper. In one year time, I read about my home country only two times in that particular &#8216;global&#8217; news paper. At that point I realized that The Netherlands is a rather small country, and that we need the EU.</p>
<p>Then I came to Asia, I noticed that the EU isn&#8217;t as prominent as I thought. cognitive dissonance, created by local news and strategy? Maybe! I realized that the EU could be better advocated, that&#8217;s why I wrote this down initially.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joop, Thought I was loosing it for a minute.  Thanks for confirming my rather limited sanity.  :)

I am not really getting what you are throwing out.  Are you asking why the exports of the EU countries aren&#039;t counted as a whole and thus be more of a player relative to bigger players such as the US and China?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joop, Thought I was loosing it for a minute.  Thanks for confirming my rather limited sanity.  :)</p>
<p>I am not really getting what you are throwing out.  Are you asking why the exports of the EU countries aren&#8217;t counted as a whole and thus be more of a player relative to bigger players such as the US and China?</p>
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		<title>By: http://www.joop.in</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ratfink Yes it said Admin! I was logged in incorrectly and changed to joop.

Thanks for your reflection, I agree that the US is very important to Korea. Your notion of the US being the biggest Korean import and export partner takes the discussion back to the initial point. Europe is not represented on the global play-field; I don&#039;t hear about them on the news at all! How could that be? I think unity has a awful lot to do with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ratfink Yes it said Admin! I was logged in incorrectly and changed to joop.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reflection, I agree that the US is very important to Korea. Your notion of the US being the biggest Korean import and export partner takes the discussion back to the initial point. Europe is not represented on the global play-field; I don&#8217;t hear about them on the news at all! How could that be? I think unity has a awful lot to do with it!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last post was directed at Joop not Admin.  Could have sworn it said admin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last post was directed at Joop not Admin.  Could have sworn it said admin.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Admin But thatâ€™s the great thing of one country. America is very diverse from East to West but they resemble unity. How come a European doesnâ€™t have that affection?

The US is a far older union and has benefited from people moving around it, sharing a common set of laws, currency and language for 200 years.  The EU is just over 10 years old, it is hard to take pride in something that really hasn&#039;t truly been tested.

&quot;We are no under-performer on the global market! I think its a question of unity, something the US has, and the EU lacks.&quot;

The fact of the matter is it doesn&#039;t matter to Koreans if Germany is the top exporter to Austria or whatever it doesn&#039;t relate to their country.  The US happens to be both their second biggest importer and exporter.  When your economy is based on exports as most Asian countries (including Korea) are they become VERY important and are going to get a heck of a lot more airtime then the 12th largest (the UK).  

When a professor cites an example he is trying to make things easier to understand, and as such he will use examples the audience is most comfortable with.  

When you add everything together it&#039;s pretty clear, unity really has very little to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Admin But thatâ€™s the great thing of one country. America is very diverse from East to West but they resemble unity. How come a European doesnâ€™t have that affection?</p>
<p>The US is a far older union and has benefited from people moving around it, sharing a common set of laws, currency and language for 200 years.  The EU is just over 10 years old, it is hard to take pride in something that really hasn&#8217;t truly been tested.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are no under-performer on the global market! I think its a question of unity, something the US has, and the EU lacks.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is it doesn&#8217;t matter to Koreans if Germany is the top exporter to Austria or whatever it doesn&#8217;t relate to their country.  The US happens to be both their second biggest importer and exporter.  When your economy is based on exports as most Asian countries (including Korea) are they become VERY important and are going to get a heck of a lot more airtime then the 12th largest (the UK).  </p>
<p>When a professor cites an example he is trying to make things easier to understand, and as such he will use examples the audience is most comfortable with.  </p>
<p>When you add everything together it&#8217;s pretty clear, unity really has very little to do with it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m watching a tv show at the moment (&lt;a href=&quot;www.dwdd.nl&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;De wereld draait door&lt;/a&gt;) to keep up with European news, and a Dutch financial expert, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.willem-middelkoop.nl/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Willem Middelkoop&lt;/a&gt; is talking about the global financial crisis, making another example why there should be more European measurements. He explains (roughly translated) &quot;In Europe we are putting out fires, every country is taking individual resolutions. We have one currency, the Euro, we have one union, you can&#039;t take independent measures. We should take European measures, it&#039;s crazy that this is taken care of individually. &quot; He also explains another example of the Dutch/Belgium bank&#039;s press note that they were getting bought by the Dutch government (news that puts the stock in movement) was put out immediately. They forgot that the German banks were still operating, really stupid errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m watching a tv show at the moment (<a target="_blank" href="www.dwdd.nl" rel="nofollow">De wereld draait door</a>) to keep up with European news, and a Dutch financial expert, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.willem-middelkoop.nl/" rel="nofollow">Willem Middelkoop</a> is talking about the global financial crisis, making another example why there should be more European measurements. He explains (roughly translated) &#8220;In Europe we are putting out fires, every country is taking individual resolutions. We have one currency, the Euro, we have one union, you can&#8217;t take independent measures. We should take European measures, it&#8217;s crazy that this is taken care of individually. &#8221; He also explains another example of the Dutch/Belgium bank&#8217;s press note that they were getting bought by the Dutch government (news that puts the stock in movement) was put out immediately. They forgot that the German banks were still operating, really stupid errors.</p>
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